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reading citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging

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out with me it's been an interesting I

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guess I'll go with interesting an

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interesting couple of weeks in the world

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of UFOs you've likely seen the flood of

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headlines about the Navy's latest

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comments regarding those now well-known

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UFO videos that were released to the

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public back in December 2017 by to the

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stars Academy of Arts and Science we'll

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talk about that soon another recent

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headline generating story has been the

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whole storm area51 goofiness that took

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place this past weekend we've talked

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about the storm area51 thing on this

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show before but for a quick summary

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storm area 51 started it as a joke by

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college student matty roberts he created

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a Facebook event on June 27 titled storm

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airy 51 they can't stop all of us

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Roberts later acknowledged that he

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created the event as a joke after

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watching area 51 whistleblower bob lazar

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and filmmaker jeremy Carvel on the Joe

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Rogan experience but still millions of

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people said they were going to this

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event the media went crazy with the

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story the military and local authorities

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got freaked out and local residents were

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unhappy at the thought of millions of

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people descending on their properties in

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the rural Nevada desert the event

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quickly morphed into a festival which

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then morphed into three separate events

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then just a week or so before the

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scheduled September 20th main event

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Maddy Roberts pulled out of the event

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he'd been Co planning with the

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proprietors of the little alien and

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Rachel Nevada citing safety concerns and

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doubts that the area could support such

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an event

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you know reasons that everybody pointed

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out from the very start

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but for some reason it took Maddy that

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long to figure it out for himself

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so he slopped together a music festival

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in downtown Las Vegas

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although the few thousand people who

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turned out for these events had a fun

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silly weekend the whole debacle is

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largely considered a flop and many of

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the resulting headlines haven't

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sugar-coated it either quote storm

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than authorities expected

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in quote quote area51 storming to see

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aliens fails to materialize in quote and

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quote storm area 51 base camp ends early

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due to low attendance in quote just a

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few of the headlines that paint the

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unfortunate picture I seriously doubt

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anybody thought three million people

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would show up but I mean fewer than 1%

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turned out for these parties still the

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creator of all this

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Mattie Roberts is loving his 15 minutes

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right now he was eating up all the media

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attention this weekend proudly

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proclaiming that he's received

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widespread interest from club owners

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around the country so he's taking his

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alien stock event on the road look I

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personally don't have a problem with fun

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alien theme festivals I think events

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like this certainly serve a purpose and

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they can be a blast for people like me

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who are fascinated by the UFO et topic I

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frequently mentioned my opinion that the

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social aspect of UFO conferences is

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perhaps the most valuable element of

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those conferences people love being

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around other like-minded individuals

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being able to listen to and share

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stories and really just be loud and

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proud the stigma surrounding the UFO

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topic leaves many people feeling like

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they have to keep their UFO ET interests

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hidden from friends and family when they

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attend a UFO conference or other UFO

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related gatherings like the storm area

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51 events these people feel like they

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can let their hair down and just be

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themselves that's awesome and that's why

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I think there's tremendous value in

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events like this but the storm area51

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thing was doomed from the start

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stemming from a stupid call to storm a

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military base in hopes of obtaining UFO

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secrets of course some people view storm

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as a great success because it forced

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aliens and UFOs into headlines around

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the world and some even interpret the

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widespread media attention and the fact

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that millions of people said they were

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going to actually storm the base as some

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wonderful indication that the masses are

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rising up and demanding that the

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government disclose its UFO secrets

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thinking especially when you look at

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just how few people followed through

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with even showing up to the events and

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when you look at who showed up these are

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largely people who were just looking to

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enjoy a silly weekend snack some cool

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photos to post on Instagram and feel

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free from judgment or ridicule for a

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brief moment and people who made the

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track out to the Nevada desert got that

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they were part of a brief pop culture

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thing I'm certainly not reading anything

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into the whole storm area51 thing to me

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it's not a sign of growing interest in

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UFOs or extraterrestrials most people

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are interested in these topics in one

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way or another and always have been and

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we certainly didn't need storm area51 to

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generate headlines about UFOs there are

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always headlines about UFOs and you can

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even argue that the stories about storm

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area51 actually do more to reinforce the

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established notion that only weirdos and

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freaks like UFOs but then at the same

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time we have a flood of headlines about

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the Navy commenting about UFOs this

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latest flood of headlines was prompted

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by veteran UFO researcher John Greenwald

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who on September 11th published a story

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on his website the black vault comm

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titled US Navy releases dates of three

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officially acknowledged encounters with

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phenomena of course the three encounters

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he's talking about here are those shown

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in the highly publicized video is

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and Science in December 2017 and March

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2018 now known as the FLIR one gimbal

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and go fast videos according to

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greenwald Joseph grad asure who is the

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official spokesperson for the Deputy

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information warfare commented that quote

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contained / depicted in those three

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videos as unidentified in quote on

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Greenwald story titled quote the Navy

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nomina end quote it's this article that

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generated headlines by media outlets

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around the world don't get hung up too

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much on all the hype being made about

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the Navy admitting UFOs are real that's

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certainly not the case here

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reality of UFOs long ago the military

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does have a rich public history with

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UFOs even the term UFO was coined by the

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military by captain edward repeal

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specifically in the early 1950s when he

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took over the Air Force's official UFO

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study project grudge which then became

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Project Blue Book the Pentagon

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acknowledged its UFO program in recent

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years and the Navy recently revamped its

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UFO reporting procedures yes the

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military officially collects

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investigates and studies UFO incidents

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excitedly reported that the Navy's

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recent statement is the first time the

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military has acknowledged a UFO case a

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true unknown hey that's the name of the

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show unknown but that's beside the point

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it's it's just not the case just look

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back at the official studies conducted

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by the Air Force not all needed projects

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I acknowledge unknown or unidentified

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objects even went so far as to say that

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the most likely explanation for some

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UFOs was extraterrestrial spacecraft

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and when project Bluebook concluded it

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listed seven hundred and one of their

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investigated cases as unknowns the real

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statement by the Navy spokesperson that

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the objects observed and these specific

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navy videos are unidentified it's always

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cool when officials make public

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statements related to UFOs

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so this latest statement from the Navy

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is most certainly noteworthy

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of course it's important to avoid

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letting our imaginations run wild as I

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mentioned earlier the statement provided

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to John Greenwald States quote the Navy

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depicted in those three videos as

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unidentified in quote we can interpret

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the statement as saying a lot or saying

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a whole lot of nothing this could mean

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that the Navy genuinely doesn't know

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what the objects are in these videos but

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looking at the word unidentified

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unidentified to whom clearly the public

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doesn't know what those objects are so

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that means they're unidentified but it

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doesn't necessarily mean the Navy

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doesn't know the public definitely

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doesn't know though so using the term

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unidentified here wouldn't technically

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military like the recent ones from Navy

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spokesperson Joseph creditor are

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carefully crafted the words are chosen

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deliberately and carefully we can take

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but it certainly leaves the doors open

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for all sorts of speculation another

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quick thing to note about this recent

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public and quote this is an interesting

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statement it seemingly supports a

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spokesperson earlier this year that

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states quote the videos were never

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public by the DoD and should still be

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withheld in quote to the Stars Academy

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of Arts and Science has always

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maintained that it went through the

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proper channels and successfully secured

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the release of these videos and for

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public distribution but we've heard

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various conflicting statements from

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about this issue not only conflicting

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with t TSA statements but also

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the whole thing is a mess and perhaps

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intentionally so again looking at the

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words chosen by grata sure he states

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that the Navy didn't release the videos

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the stars Academy of Arts and Science or

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in this case the statement quote the

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general public and quote could actually

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support TT si s narrative again these

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intentionally vague they can be

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